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    "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    I sincerely hope that the Celtic support give Dougie Mc Donald the reception he so richly deserves on Saturday; a warm welcome should also be extended to assistant referee John Gilmour who infamously waved his flag to deny Motherwell a goal that would have put them two-nil up against the Evil Empire recently.

    This is a clear message from the SFA to tell Celtic that you can complain all you want, but there will be no change, and we will decide what happens within Scottish Football. They have decided against having a fair and transparent policy within the Scottish game, a game that is on it’s last legs, and depends heavily on the financial input of the Celtic support, they obviously believe that the game in Scotland needs a strong and successful Rangers team far more than it needs honesty and integrity.
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    This is not a new phenomenon; this has been the case in all the years that I have followed Celtic Football Club. You could go back to the days when Bob Kelly stood firm against a demand to remove the Irish Tri-Colour from Celtic Park; or we could point to Jim Farry holding up Jorge Cadete’s registration, a case that proved conclusively that there was institutionalised bias against Celtic. We could also look at the treatment of Celtic players, how many Scottish Caps did the Lisbon Lions accrue for instance? If that team had played in England every one of them including the Manager would have received a Knighthood, maybe that was a blessing in disguise.
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    So what do we as fans do about it? We can’t keep rolling over, I’ve never been one of these turn the other cheek type people, I believe in fighting for what is right, Terence Mac Swiney the famous Lord Mayor of Cork who died on hunger strike said “It is not those who can inflict the most, but those that can suffer the most who will conquer” by that he didn’t mean we were just to keep accepting what was thrown at us, what he meant was no matter how much you do to us we will overcome and prevail, and I’m not trying to compare what was faced by the Irish people to what is facing us as Celtic fans.
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    I think Saturday probably comes too soon to have a properly organised demonstration by the fans against Mc Donald and his assistants, and obviously their employers at the SFA/SPL, but I’m sure a spontaneous reaction from the fans will suffice in the meantime. The most important demonstration must come at the next match against the Forces of Darkness, it must be both visual and vocal, and it must come from all sections of the stadium with the obvious exception of one corner where Scotland Shame will be standing, there are people much more experienced and capable than me who can organise this type of show, the Junglebhoys and Green Brigade for a start, all I am doing here is offering my support and calling on all fans to do the same, I would be happy to meet with anyone who can help, this must be just the first action in a collective campaign of support of our team, there are lots of very smart Celtic fans out there, and each and everyone of us has a part to play; no matter how trivial it may seem. I am sure that if we can stand together we can succeed in our drive to be treated fairly and justly within the Scottish game, while we are still part of it that is.
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    Keep the Faith.


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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    Maybe a call to the Green Brigade and a few others would get the necessary call to arms fficeffice" />>>
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    With the want and the need to stand firm this can be arranged and leave no one in doubt that we will not be s*at on from the people in ivory towers and white horses >>

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    Joe
    I am sure the fans who turn up on saturday will let the so called (officials)
    know what our feelings are
    To me they are loathsome individuals who make up this anti-celtic group in scotland
    I am also sure they will not give a toss about what we think of them
    But we should still let ourselves be heard , and when we have a plan to take them on and hurt them financially they maybe think twice about their cheating and downright disrespect for our club

    Keep up the good work

    Braebhoy

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    Joe I agree with you - this has been going on for more years than we care to remember and hasn't improved one little bit. I am totally disgusted at what goes on - we get painted as being paranoid when all we do is state facts. Paranoia is when something is imagined and unfortunately what is happening just now is not imagined but is real. The "powers that be" for want of a better phrase should be wholly ashamed of themselves. I really hope the fans unite and stand as one on this matter because it's a disgrace what is going on here.

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    Well said Joe.

    Good call to arms for all the Bhoys and Ghirls.

    I agree the Glasgow Derby is the best opportunity we have this season to stand and unite as one to show the establishment we ain't going to take it anymore.

    Hopefully something can be organised.

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    londonbhoy i too am a longstanding supporter for more years than you. I would accept the paranoia comment if the things that have been mentioned are delusions, untrue or imagined - however when we are talking facts about what is going on then paranoia does not come into it. So please don't as a CELTIC fan jump on that particular bandwagon.

    CELTIC should be playing on a level playing field and rules that apply to us should apply to all teams in the spl but they do not, even the silly rule about not taking off your top to celebrate a goal rule is not applied to everyone fairly, these facts speak for themselves. We are not asking for any special treatment - just fair treatment for all. Not a lot to ask imho.

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    I have to agree irish eyes, paranoia is to imagine someone is treating you unfairly, we are not imagining it, it's true, we are being treated unfairly. While i would aslo agree the Manager hasn't had a great start, i for one would not be shouting for his head. If we look at the three matches against Rangers alone, there would be a significant change in points differential between us, the league would certainly not look so bad as it does. Your right in your other point, we dont want referees to favour us, we just want them to be fair at all times.

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe O'Rourke View Post
    I have to agree irish eyes, paranoia is to imagine someone is treating you unfairly, we are not imagining it, it's true, we are being treated unfairly. While i would aslo agree the Manager hasn't had a great start, i for one would not be shouting for his head. If we look at the three matches against Rangers alone, there would be a significant change in points differential between us, the league would certainly not look so bad as it does. Your right in your other point, we dont want referees to favour us, we just want them to be fair at all times.
    There are two issues, one of which after last nights performance is likely to resolve itself with no need for the support to do anything.

    The manager either persuaded us through performances and results he was the man for the job or he did not. That is the natural order of things and every Saturday is an opportunity to "demonstrate" our judgement. There is no need to push that particular river, it flows all by itself.

    However on the matter of the SFA, Celtic are swimming against the current and a stand needs to be made. The SFA need to be told in no uncertain terms that the Celtic support have had enough.

    This is a long haul issue that will benefit Celtic and its manager whoever he is in years to come. Red Cards at the Rangers game is a perfect way to make our point. It backs up the proposal agreed at the Open Meeting at St Mary's that asks Celtic to convey our loss of confidence in the SFA with what corrective action we wish to see.

    On paranoia- if you have played or watched bowls you will all know that the bowl does not run in a straight line, it curves. It curves because of a bias in the design of the bowl. We know what causes the bias in bowls and although we all have a pretty good idea of what causes the bias in Scottish football we should not fall into the trap of saying that is a fact because facts are only such when they can be proven.

    What needs to be done is to concentrate on what can be proven, that is that the bowl curves. There is all the evidence in the world to support that decisions in Scottish football both off and on the field curve, and that curve favours one team.

    What we want is to make it difficult for that curve to exist by having the power and machinery to challenge why it does and the right to credible explanations.

    When you have that the curve will straighten itself out, because there will be nothing for the built in bias, that is an intrinsic part of the SFA design, to hide behind.

    Transparency and accountabilty = level playing field. No more swimming against the current. If TM does go, we owe it to him (for he HAS suffered from the curve)and his successors to enjoy the same conditions as his rivals.

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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    No we're not the only club it happens to, but there's one it very seldom happens to and it's the same one who generally benefits from the other clubs "share of bad decisions" !
    There's no argument here that Mowbray must go, but the damage to ENSURE the huns won the league was done early doors.
    If you can't see any ragers bias in the SFA and their officials then you're watching a different league from me!
    This 'paranoia' crap is laptop loyalist fodder.
    Did you think WGS was insulting the Celtic support when he treated the laptop loyalists with the contempt they deserve, because the peeple he was actually treating with contempt told you so?
    I'm sorry, but I can't understand this SFA-hun apologist nonsense.
    I know we've been crap, but the huns had the SPL all tied up before anyone knew that, before a ball was kicked!

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    Joe O'Rourke
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    Re: "Nil Desperandum Illegitimi Carborundum, Never Let The Bastards Get You Down"

    It might well happen to every club, but i'm only concerned by my club and that's Glasgow Cletic


 

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